Eeek, no polls!
As far as we (CiA) are concerned, chaps play with what they want to play with. The ammo limit is there for all - you might choose to use an MP40 or a K98 knowing full-well you ain't going to reload to keep up with a 420 round Thompson in front of you. Meh, die and get over it! Or carry half a ton of mags, or grow muscular thumbs for rapid speed-loading. 
It really is swings and roundabouts. If you prefer low-caps that's fine, otherwise a mag and a half of high cap will do the business!
(I'm sure no one is upset or feeling criticised Neill, discussion is great!)
I was using my M14 on auto at D-Day. I have mentioned this before but to reitterate, it got stuck on full auto due to the new wood stock I had fitted the week before cramping the fire selector lever. Faced with a 4km round trip to the car to get a backup Thompson (and hi-cap) I kept using it with VERY short bursts.
To all the German players feeling a bit disadvantaged by the number of Thompsons, bear in mind things are improving at a steady pace. There were lots of M14s and Garands at Hurtgen as opposed to almost 100% Thompsons at Battle of the Bulge.
Lol we sometimes feel outgunned by chinese MP40s with 350ish fps against our TM M14s doing 290, and that's not to mention all the talk about M200 springs and 5g bbs in those MG42s*......
* Some facts might have been exaggerated above to make a point.
My MP40 fires at 313fps.
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To clarify, I was using the perceived fps imbalance as an illustration of this -
If people want to see an unfairness against their side they will see one. That doesn't mean there is one./quote]
- not a swinging accusation that all the germans are shooting hot guns. (That's probably a very bad choice of words).
love my locaps
I keep within the limits.
Nearly got me shot at the German 88 at Hurtgen, but I got out just as Diggah swan dived into the pit and blew it!
Good times...
just as Diggah swan dived into the pit and blew it!
That would have been a video worth keeping, I'm not sure you two were playing the same game I was ....
i love the way threads sort of meander off into a hinterland of random discussion, perhaps we could have a thread about hijackng threads...... back to the locap/hicap debate (kind of). what is amusing me is that in the war the germans all wanted to get their hands on a thompson and the yanks all wanted to get their hands on an mp40..... All soldiers of all armies always think that the enemy has better kit than them..... so we have a similar situation here except the yanks dont want our mp40s!
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what is amusing me is that in the war the germans all wanted to get their hands on a thompson and the yanks all wanted to get their hands on an mp40..... All soldiers of all armies always think that the enemy has better kit than them..... so we have a similar situation here except the yanks dont want our mp40s!
I've got both, and i'll be honest, i prefer the mp40! The Thomspon is just so heavy and unwieldy compared to the mp40. So much so, that at Varsity, even though i'm playing brits, if the sten's not done in time, i'll probablybe using a 'captured' mp40 and lowcaps.
I recently read Pegasus Bridge and according to that within a few days all the British had dumped their No4s, Stens and Brens in favour of Mp40s and Mg34s
Yup very common, happened a lot at arnhem through neccesity rather than choice.
One of the reasons for doing airborne as a PBI first impression was the fact you can use captured kit more believably.
However weirdly a lot of germans liked the Sten as it was easy to fire prone.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Yeah a couple of officers in Das Reich are specifically mentioned as carrying them in their march through france.
Oops, sorry everyone. I didn't mean to start a mag cap war!
What I was trying to point out is there seems to be an indication in the ww2 airsofting scene to try and be as accurate to the period as possible. WW2 airsoft is not just about dressing up in period clothes and kit.
As there are real limitations in what weapons are available (and mag type) it tends to rely on sportsmanship. But this means that there are lots of players using single shot weapons. This is totally different from my experience of airsoft skirmish where it is box mags and full auto at all times.
I must admit I fall into the "low mag capacity, lots of bolt action players" camp but so long as ww2 stays this way, I can play a bit closer to period even if some other players in the game are forced to use hicaps, etc. Otherwise we'll all migrate back to box mags and full auto just to stay in the game.
I really think this is the essence of the ww2 airsoft experience and the big difference between regular skirmishing. I am looking forward to Gadge's articles and, as the profile is raised, it might help get a few more skirmishable ww2 airsoft guns out?
I just wanted to highlight how different the game is when the balance of firepower is more in keeping to the period. Imagine what it was like in reality trying to take out a belt fed MG36 or 42 with a five shot, clip loaded enfield? Get a bolt action and find out at the next game!
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I just wanted to highlight how different the game is when the balance of firepower is more in keeping to the period. Imagine what it was like in reality trying to take out a belt fed MG36 or 42 with a five shot, clip loaded enfield? Get a bolt action and find out at the next game!
Well, you wouldn't would you. You'd use mortars and more than one person! 
Yep, what you say makes sense. But to cap off this discussion, and enormous hijack, CiA are about inclusion so we will happily take any type of mag as long as you have 600 rounds or less on you!
Oops, sorry everyone. I didn't mean to start a mag cap war!
What I was trying to point out is there seems to be an indication in the ww2 airsofting scene to try and be as accurate to the period as possible. WW2 airsoft is not just about dressing up in period clothes and kit.
As there are real limitations in what weapons are available (and mag type) it tends to rely on sportsmanship. But this means that there are lots of players using single shot weapons. This is totally different from my experience of airsoft skirmish where it is box mags and full auto at all times.
I must admit I fall into the "low mag capacity, lots of bolt action players" camp but so long as ww2 stays this way, I can play a bit closer to period even if some other players in the game are forced to use hicaps, etc. Otherwise we'll all migrate back to box mags and full auto just to stay in the game.
I really think this is the essence of the ww2 airsoft experience and the big difference between regular skirmishing. I am looking forward to Gadge's articles and, as the profile is raised, it might help get a few more skirmishable ww2 airsoft guns out?
I just wanted to highlight how different the game is when the balance of firepower is more in keeping to the period. Imagine what it was like in reality trying to take out a belt fed MG36 or 42 with a five shot, clip loaded enfield? Get a bolt action and find out at the next game!
Just an observation, but as German commander at Hurtgen in December I was struggling at times to find enough Germans with automatic weapons to form assault groups . It was great to see so many Kars and other single shots, but without an MG42, we had to rely on the low capped MP40s for any sort of support fire.
To anwser you point though charging an 1200 RPM MG42 nest with a 10 shot Enfield would have taken some real guts .
Personally I've not had a problem enforcing ammo limits, but then again I mostly use a springer bolt action these days and you rarely use up more than 100 rounds in a day 
One point about pointing ammo limits out to teammates during a game, I dont think Ive ever done this, partly cos it could sound a bit rude ("Scuse me mate, how much ammo are you carrying?") as you're not likely to see all the mags a person has on them. Also cos when playing you're not spending much time thinking about that (specially when in a firefight). I've suspected people of carrying more than they should have, but never thought its my place to ask or say as Im not a marshal.
I guess it all boils down to the very nature of airsoft - honour. Without it everyones a teflon kiddie etc. In my mind wavering ammo rules is just as bad as not taking your hits ie if in doubt, call it.
No longer involved in airsoft.
600 rounds aint bad, I never get 600 off before I get killed, when dead go to CP to reload, I think at Churchills revenge last year I only used 300 odd the whole event
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I've had to borrow mags off people before 'in a life', and most people are very accommodating that way. The only time I was ever unsure about whether or not I was carrying the right amount of ammo was at Hurtgen, when I had to borrow five of the short Thompson mags off CHThree, which I think only came to about 650 or something... In anycase, I never used them all up (or had time to fill them up) in a single 'life'.
Short tommy mags are 190 rnds each... so with 3 you're fine. Thats what I use a lot of the time.
I dont think theres anything wrong with checking guys have only x amount of ammo on them for a game, its no different to making sure all the guns fire at the right fps. rules are rules!!!
As long as peeps are briefed they dont reload in the field but only at a CP or HQ or if an ammo crate is brought at too them and what their restrictions are there shouldnt be a problem.
Midcaps and low caps only are the best way to enforce this but not every has the extra dollar to buy more kit.
Dream game would be the organiser provides all the mags, pryo and ammo for the whole game. Total control over the ammo and distrobution!...by the way i'm not going to do that 
cost a bloody fortune 
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